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Yocto Project Status WW04'20


Stephen Jolley
 

Current Dev Position: YP 3.1 M3

Next Deadline: YP 3.1 M2 in QA - release 1/31/20

 

Next Team Meetings:

 

Tip of the Week:

  • The scripts in ${WORKDIR}/temp/run.XXX for shell tasks can be quickly hacked and used for standalone debugging by replacing the function call at the end with “bash -i” which will then drop you into a shell environment matching the task being debugged (minus the fakeroot context). 
  • Bonus marks for anyone sending a patch to add the fakeroot context as comments at the start of the scripts.
  • (send any tips you’d like to see here to Stephen or Richard)

 

Key Status/Updates:

  • YP 3.1 M2 is in QA but has issues with build reproducibility
  • We’re unlikely to rebuild M2 as master has the same issues and they look like they will take a while to resolve.
  • There are now serious problems with the build reproducibility test failures on the autobuilder. We’re not sure why there is a sudden set of problems but they are real issues and causing most builds to fail. The tests will have to be disabled unless they can be resolved quickly. There are fixes merged for the CONFIG_SHELL issue and kbd and patches queued as a potential fix for makeinfo. There are more remaining issues, some have open bugs, others don’t have bugs yet. Help with any of these would be appreciated (or help filing the bugs).
  • We’re collecting a list of companies, products and projects which use the Yocto Project on the wiki: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Project_Users Please add any you know are missing (or email Richard/Stephen who can add).
  • We have created a “documentation” list and a “licensing” list on the yocto project mailing list infrastructure. We believe these topics would benefit from dedicated discussions, the people involved usually aren’t interested in bulk email as would be found on other lists. The new lists can be found at: https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join and https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join 
  • There is continued concern about the number of recurring/intermittent failures in the automated testing, mostly from selftest and testimage.
  • We continue to struggle to get clean ‘full’ builds due to the reproducibility issues in particular.
  • The triage team is worried about attendance at triage meetings and the project is finding it hard to find people to help fix bugs. If anyone is willing to work on bugs, assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

YP 3.1 Milestone Dates:

  • YP 3.1 M2 release date 1/31/2020
  • YP 3.1 M3 build date 2/24/2020
  • YP 3.1 M3 release date 3/6/2020
  • YP 3.1 M4 build date  3/30/2020
  • YP 3.1 M4 release date  4/24/2020

 

Planned upcoming dot releases:

  • YP 2.7.3 build date  2/10/2020
  • YP 2.7.3 release date 2/21/2020
  • YP 3.0.2 build date  2/3/2020
  • YP 3.0.2 release date 2/14/2020

 

Tracking Metrics:

 

The Yocto Project’s technical governance is through its Technical Steering Committee, more information is available at:

https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/TSC

 

The Status reports are now stored on the wiki at: https://wiki.yoctoproject.org/wiki/Weekly_Status

 

[If anyone has suggestions for other information you’d like to see on this weekly status update, let us know!]

 

Thanks,

 

Stephen K. Jolley

Yocto Project Program Manager

(    Cell:                (208) 244-4460

* Email:              sjolley.yp.pm@...

 


Adrian Bunk
 

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 08:01:23AM -0800, Stephen Jolley wrote:
...
* We have created a "documentation" list and a "licensing" list on the
yocto project mailing list infrastructure. We believe these topics would
benefit from dedicated discussions, the people involved usually aren't
interested in bulk email as would be found on other lists. The new lists can
be found at: <https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join and
<https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join
...
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?

Currently the yocto list is a mixture of core development list and forum
for newbie user questions, with no easy way to have them separate.

Thanks
Adrian


Alexander Kanavin
 

Why separate them? I’d rather have newbies and experts in the same room.

Alex

On 2 Feb 2020, at 14.28, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 08:01:23AM -0800, Stephen Jolley wrote:
...
* We have created a "documentation" list and a "licensing" list on the
yocto project mailing list infrastructure. We believe these topics would
benefit from dedicated discussions, the people involved usually aren't
interested in bulk email as would be found on other lists. The new lists can
be found at: <https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join and
<https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join
...
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?

Currently the yocto list is a mixture of core development list and forum
for newbie user questions, with no easy way to have them separate.

Thanks
Adrian


Ross Burton
 

On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 13:35, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...> wrote:
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?
What would it cover that isn't already covered in other lists?

Ross


Adrian Bunk
 

On Sun, Feb 02, 2020 at 03:16:24PM +0000, Ross Burton wrote:
On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 13:35, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...> wrote:
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?
What would it cover that isn't already covered in other lists?
It would be easier to follow only development discussions if these
would move to a dedicated list.

Ross
cu
Adrian


Philip Balister
 

On 2/2/20 2:28 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 08:01:23AM -0800, Stephen Jolley wrote:
...
* We have created a "documentation" list and a "licensing" list on the
yocto project mailing list infrastructure. We believe these topics would
benefit from dedicated discussions, the people involved usually aren't
interested in bulk email as would be found on other lists. The new lists can
be found at: <https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join and
<https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join
...
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?

Currently the yocto list is a mixture of core development list and forum
for newbie user questions, with no easy way to have them separate.
We have openembedded-architecture for this.

http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-architecture

Philip


Thanks
Adrian




Chuck Wolber
 

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 6:09 AM Alexander Kanavin <alex.kanavin@...> wrote:
Why separate them? I’d rather have newbies and experts in the same room..

Enthusiastic second to this.

If you separate things too much, newbies get no sense of the depth of the project, and experienced people get less of a sense of the "newcomer pain points".

Granted, this breaks down when traffic elevates to to LKML levels, but we are not even close to that (yet).

..Ch:W..


Josef Holzmayr <holzmayr@...>
 

Howdy!

On Sun, Feb 02, 2020 at 03:09:07PM +0100, Alexander Kanavin wrote:
Why separate them? I’d rather have newbies and experts in the same room.
My vote is totally on this too!

Greetz.


Alex

On 2 Feb 2020, at 14.28, Adrian Bunk <bunk@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 08:01:23AM -0800, Stephen Jolley wrote:
...
* We have created a "documentation" list and a "licensing" list on the
yocto project mailing list infrastructure. We believe these topics would
benefit from dedicated discussions, the people involved usually aren't
interested in bulk email as would be found on other lists. The new lists can
be found at: <https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join and
<https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join
...
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?

Currently the yocto list is a mixture of core development list and forum
for newbie user questions, with no easy way to have them separate.

Thanks
Adrian

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akuster
 



On 2/2/20 10:18 AM, Philip Balister wrote:
On 2/2/20 2:28 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 08:01:23AM -0800, Stephen Jolley wrote:
...
*	We have created a "documentation" list and a "licensing" list on the
yocto project mailing list infrastructure. We believe these topics would
benefit from dedicated discussions, the people involved usually aren't
interested in bulk email as would be found on other lists. The new lists can
be found at:  <https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join and
<https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join 
...
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?

Currently the yocto list is a mixture of core development list and forum 
for newbie user questions, with no easy way to have them separate.
We have openembedded-architecture for this.

http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-architecture

Also openembedded-core

Philip

Thanks
Adrian






      


Denys Dmytriyenko
 

On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 08:16:47AM -0800, akuster wrote:


On 2/2/20 10:18 AM, Philip Balister wrote:
On 2/2/20 2:28 PM, Adrian Bunk wrote:
On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 08:01:23AM -0800, Stephen Jolley wrote:
...
* We have created a "documentation" list and a "licensing" list on the
yocto project mailing list infrastructure. We believe these topics would
benefit from dedicated discussions, the people involved usually aren't
interested in bulk email as would be found on other lists. The new lists can
be found at: <https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/licensing/join and
<https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join>
https://lists.yoctoproject.org/g/docs/join
...
Would it be possible to also create a yocto-devel or yocto-core
mailing list for discussing development of Yocto?

Currently the yocto list is a mixture of core development list and forum
for newbie user questions, with no easy way to have them separate.
We have openembedded-architecture for this.

http://lists.openembedded.org/mailman/listinfo/openembedded-architecture
Also openembedded-core
Also openembedded-devel

Philip

Thanks
Adrian