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Re: Yocto build error

Alexander Kanavin
 

You need to show the full command line that produces the error.

Alex


On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 at 03:45, JH <jupiter.hce@...> wrote:
Hi,

I have following errors:

No GNU_HASH in the ELF binary
/build/tmp-glibc/work/cortexa7t2hf-neon-oe-linux-gnueabi/solar/1.0.0-0/packages-split/wifi_signal,
didn't pass LDFLAGS? [ldflags]

So I add --hash-style=gnu to my Makefile:

LD_FLAGS += --hash-style=gnu
LDFLAGS = LD_FLAGS

But that does not work:

arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option
'--hash-style=gnu'

What is wrong about the error if the  --hash-style=gnu is not the right fix?

Thank you.

Kind regards.

JH




Re: [OE-core] How to trigger Yocto Linux /etc/profile or shell scripts in /etc/profile.d without shell logging in?

Federico Pellegrin
 


Hi Jupiter,
/etc/profile and similar are interactive shell (/bash) concepts, not really system startup ones. So indeed: just on a login (be it local, ssh and so on) they are executed.

If you want to execute something else without the need for logging it, you should look elsewhere, depending on your system manager: if systemd you should create a service and enable it, if sysvinit a init.d script.

HTH,
Federico


Il giorno lun 11 ott 2021 alle ore 06:30 JH <jupiter.hce@...> ha scritto:
Hi,

The Yocto uses /etc/profile for root login, but there is no root
physical login in an embedded device so the /etc/profile is never
called, I added a shell script to /etc/profile.d, it was not called
either. Both /etc/profile and scripts in /etc/profile.d can only be
invoked when I physically log into the debug console, that is
impractical. Appreciate your advice, how do you resolve that kind of
problem?

Thank you.

Kind regards,

- jupiter




Re: [OE-core] How to trigger Yocto Linux /etc/profile or shell scripts in /etc/profile.d without shell logging in?

Chuck Wolber
 

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 9:30 PM JH <jupiter.hce@...> wrote:
The Yocto uses /etc/profile for root login, but there is no root
physical login in an embedded device so the /etc/profile is never
called, I added a shell script to /etc/profile.d, it was not called
either. Both /etc/profile and scripts in /etc/profile.d can only be
invoked when I physically log into the debug console, that is
impractical. Appreciate your advice, how do you resolve that kind of
problem?

What problem are you attempting to solve by running a script from /etc/profile.d?

..Ch:W..


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How to trigger Yocto Linux /etc/profile or shell scripts in /etc/profile.d without shell logging in?

JH
 

Hi,

The Yocto uses /etc/profile for root login, but there is no root
physical login in an embedded device so the /etc/profile is never
called, I added a shell script to /etc/profile.d, it was not called
either. Both /etc/profile and scripts in /etc/profile.d can only be
invoked when I physically log into the debug console, that is
impractical. Appreciate your advice, how do you resolve that kind of
problem?

Thank you.

Kind regards,

- jupiter


Yocto build error

JH
 

Hi,

I have following errors:

No GNU_HASH in the ELF binary
/build/tmp-glibc/work/cortexa7t2hf-neon-oe-linux-gnueabi/solar/1.0.0-0/packages-split/wifi_signal,
didn't pass LDFLAGS? [ldflags]

So I add --hash-style=gnu to my Makefile:

LD_FLAGS += --hash-style=gnu
LDFLAGS = LD_FLAGS

But that does not work:

arm-oe-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option
'--hash-style=gnu'

What is wrong about the error if the --hash-style=gnu is not the right fix?

Thank you.

Kind regards.

JH


Re: LINUX_VERSION_EXTENSION has no effect #dunfell #yocto #kernel

mrkozmic@...
 

Bruce,
It's an honor to get help from the author himself!

I'm starting to understand why they have this:

do_configure_prepend() {
     cp "${S}/arch/${ARCH}/configs/${KBUILD_DEFCONFIG}" "${B}/.config" || bbfatal "CONFIG ${KBUILD_DEFCONFIG} NOT FOUND"
}

Since do_kernel_configme() creates the .config file in https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta/classes/kernel-yocto.bbclass?h=dunfell#n399
(I can't figure out why it fails to merge in our defconfig)

Then the ${WORKDIR}/defconfig is not used by kernel_do_configure() https://git.yoctoproject.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/poky/tree/meta/classes/kernel.bbclass#n595
So they do the copy of defconfig in do_configure_prepend(). 

Anyway,  do_kernel_configme() has already been run hence no CONFIG_LOCALVERSION is written to .config


I could just do this:
do_configure_prepend() {
     cp "${S}/arch/${ARCH}/configs/${KBUILD_DEFCONFIG}" "${B}/.config" || bbfatal "CONFIG ${KBUILD_DEFCONFIG} NOT FOUND"
     echo "CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=\"${LINUX_VERSION_EXTENSION}\"" >> "${B}/.config"
}

 

BUT
Your hint make me notice that they did: KCONFIG_MODE="--allnoconfig" which breaks the config merging.
After changing it to alldefconfig and removing do_configure_prepend it all works!

Thank you!
 

 

 


Re: LINUX_VERSION_EXTENSION has no effect #dunfell #yocto #kernel

mrkozmic@...
 

Bruce, I just realized that I replied only to you and not to the group. Hope it is ok that I post your answer here. 
 

On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 6:19 AM <mrkozmic@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> Here .config is written in the kernel_configme task: https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgit.yoctoproject.org%2Fcgit%2Fcgit.cgi%2Fpoky%2Ftree%2Fmeta%2Fclasses%2Fkernel-yocto.bbclass%3Fh%3Ddunfell%23n409&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C7757b810abc444e512cc08d98b32ecb1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637693873092757103%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=%2FURpcXvzhAKEpN%2BHHmmMpshn3CJNHJxUvFkktaGCf80%3D&amp;reserved=0
>

Yes, I'm the one that wrote all of the fragment handling and
processing, so unless something else is being injected into the tasks,
I know how it should work :)

> My kernel recipe (not written by me) is made up of several files. I found this:
> do_configure_prepend() {
>     cp "${S}/arch/${ARCH}/configs/${KBUILD_DEFCONFIG}" "${B}/.config" || bbfatal "CONFIG ${KBUILD_DEFCONFIG} NOT FOUND"
> }
> Which makes sense why it does not work. So I removed these lines and I see why someone put them there. My defconfig is not put into the .config file by the merge_config.sh script.
> It looks like the script does everything correctly, but the resulting .config is always the default, nothing is included from my defconfig.

Considering that linux-yocto has had support for using an in-tree
defconfig for a long time, indeed, that is a strange thing for someone
to write!

Is KBUILD_DEFCONFIG defined in your recipe ? If so, the kernel-yocto
bbclass will do a similar copy and use that as the baseline.

>
> The final .config is generated in merge_config.sh by
> make LD="$LD" KCONFIG_ALLCONFIG=$TMP_FILE $OUTPUT_ARG $ALLTARGET
> I have checked, and the $TMP_FILE is the same as my defconfig. The log from merge_script.sh lists all CONFIG_* that where requested, but not included in the final .config, they all come from my defconfig.
>
> Looks like make does not care about KCONFIG_ALLCONFIG=$TMP_FILE

No, that wouldn't be the case.

Just because you have something in a defconfig, or a configuration
fragment, doesn't mean that it ends up in the final .config. They are
still subject to the dependencies, defaults, selects, etc, of the
Kconfig files within the kernel tree as the configuration phase of the
kernel is executed.

If you have a defconfig in your workdir, the mode of merge config is
set to "-n", which is an allnoconfig, and then what you have in your
defconfig will be applied based on those conditions. If your defconfig
is based on a savedefconfig (which many of them are now, in particular
in tree ones).  If you want to use defaults  and then apply your
defconfig, you need to specify KCONFIG_MODE="alldefconfig" in your
kernel recipe (maybe you are already doing that, but it is worth
mentioning).

But given that KBUILD_DEFCONFIG copy that you found, clearly there are
some custom things happening, so I really can't say for sure.
 
 
Bruce

>



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Re: #zeus meta-intel #zeus

Anuj Mittal
 

On Fri, 2021-10-08 at 16:10 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) via
lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:

Sorry for my ignorance, but I am missing your point, what exactly
does the recipe provide when built, intel-opencl-icd ?, will it pull
in igc ?
It will pull in igc. There's a separate recipe for igc in meta-intel.
compute-runtime will provide intel-opencl-icd but the package name is
different.

You can try building the recipe.

Thanks,

Anuj


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Sorry, I didn't understand the question. If you want to know which
version of OpenCL is supported, please see the README for version
that you're building. Also see:

https://github.com/intel/compute-runtime/blob/master/opencl/doc/FAQ.md

Thanks,

Anuj

On Fri, 2021-10-08 at 15:30 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) wrote:

Thank you, just for clarification ...

"Building the Neo driver", does that mean no OpenCL library support
?

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On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 16:20 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) via
lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
 
 
I am looking at “meta-intel/dynamic-layers/clang-layer/recipes-
opencl/compute-runtime”
I have been “told” that this compute-runtime recipe should
basically
build opencl (Neo) with all the required dependencies… I did not
think Yocto had support for OpenCL, and was looking to build Neo
under the SDK.
 
(1)   Is this true, does meta-intell under zeus now support
building
OpenCL and the OpenCL Graphics compiler under Yocto ?
compute-runtime recipe would allow you to build NEO driver. zeus is
no
longer maintained so the version there is old and not tested now
but
it should still build.

(2)   Of so, what would be the proper way to pull this into my
yocto
build ?
Including meta-intel and meta-clang in bblayers should be enough.

Thanks,

Anuj



Re: LINUX_VERSION_EXTENSION has no effect #dunfell #yocto #kernel

Bruce Ashfield
 

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 11:52 AM <mrkozmic@...> wrote:

I have defined LINUX_VERSION_EXTENSION in my kernel recipe.

I have no CONFIG_LOCALVERSION or CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO defined in my defconfig

After i run bitbake -c kernel_configme <my kernel recipe> I can see in my .config file:

CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=""
# CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is not set

and at the very end:

CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="<my extention>"
So far so good.

Then I execute bitbake -c configure <my kernel recipe>
and the .config file is changed. Now there is:
CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=""
CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO=y
and there is no trace of CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="<my extention>"
Assuming what you are using as a kernel recipe is linux-yocto based,
the code that is adding the CONFIG_LOCALVERSION is a task that runs
after do_configure. So just running -c configure, it shouldn't be in
the .config (and the default kernel configure task, will copy your
defconfig -> .config, and then lets the kernel process it, so you will
have symbols in the .config that are not in your defconfig
explicitly).

If you can make your recipe available, I can probably offer more
specific comments.

Bruce


Yocto: dunfell
Kernel 5.4.70









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Re: #zeus meta-intel #zeus

Monsees, Steven C (US)
 

Sorry for my ignorance, but I am missing your point, what exactly does the recipe provide when built, intel-opencl-icd ?, will it pull in igc ?

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Sorry, I didn't understand the question. If you want to know which version of OpenCL is supported, please see the README for version that you're building. Also see:

https://github.com/intel/compute-runtime/blob/master/opencl/doc/FAQ.md

Thanks,

Anuj

On Fri, 2021-10-08 at 15:30 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) wrote:

Thank you, just for clarification ...

"Building the Neo driver", does that mean no OpenCL library support ?

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On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 16:20 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) via
lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
 
 
I am looking at “meta-intel/dynamic-layers/clang-layer/recipes-
opencl/compute-runtime”
I have been “told” that this compute-runtime recipe should basically
build opencl (Neo) with all the required dependencies… I did not
think Yocto had support for OpenCL, and was looking to build Neo
under the SDK.
 
(1)   Is this true, does meta-intell under zeus now support building
OpenCL and the OpenCL Graphics compiler under Yocto ?
compute-runtime recipe would allow you to build NEO driver. zeus is no
longer maintained so the version there is old and not tested now but
it should still build.

(2)   Of so, what would be the proper way to pull this into my yocto
build ?
Including meta-intel and meta-clang in bblayers should be enough.

Thanks,

Anuj


Re: #zeus meta-intel #zeus

Anuj Mittal
 

Sorry, I didn't understand the question. If you want to know which
version of OpenCL is supported, please see the README for version that
you're building. Also see:

https://github.com/intel/compute-runtime/blob/master/opencl/doc/FAQ.md

Thanks,

Anuj

On Fri, 2021-10-08 at 15:30 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) wrote:

Thank you, just for clarification ...

"Building the Neo driver", does that mean no OpenCL library support ?

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On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 16:20 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) via
lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
 
 
I am looking at “meta-intel/dynamic-layers/clang-layer/recipes-
opencl/compute-runtime”
I have been “told” that this compute-runtime recipe should basically
build opencl (Neo) with all the required dependencies… I did not
think
Yocto had support for OpenCL, and was looking to build Neo under the
SDK.
 
(1)   Is this true, does meta-intell under zeus now support building
OpenCL and the OpenCL Graphics compiler under Yocto ?
compute-runtime recipe would allow you to build NEO driver. zeus is no
longer maintained so the version there is old and not tested now but it
should still build.

(2)   Of so, what would be the proper way to pull this into my yocto
build ?
Including meta-intel and meta-clang in bblayers should be enough.

Thanks,

Anuj


LINUX_VERSION_EXTENSION has no effect #dunfell #yocto #kernel

mrkozmic@...
 

I have defined LINUX_VERSION_EXTENSION in my kernel recipe.

I have no CONFIG_LOCALVERSION or CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO defined in my defconfig

After i run bitbake -c kernel_configme <my kernel recipe> I can see in my .config file:

CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=""
# CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is not set

and at the very end:

CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="<my extention>"
So far so good.

Then I execute  
bitbake -c configure <my kernel recipe>
and the .config file is changed. Now there is:
CONFIG_LOCALVERSION=""
CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO=y
and there is no trace of 
CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="<my extention>"

Yocto: dunfell
Kernel 5.4.70

 
 

 


Re: #zeus meta-intel #zeus

Monsees, Steven C (US)
 

Thank you, just for clarification ...

"Building the Neo driver", does that mean no OpenCL library support ?

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On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 16:20 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) via lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
 
 
I am looking at “meta-intel/dynamic-layers/clang-layer/recipes-
opencl/compute-runtime”
I have been “told” that this compute-runtime recipe should basically
build opencl (Neo) with all the required dependencies… I did not think
Yocto had support for OpenCL, and was looking to build Neo under the
SDK.
 
(1)   Is this true, does meta-intell under zeus now support building
OpenCL and the OpenCL Graphics compiler under Yocto ?
compute-runtime recipe would allow you to build NEO driver. zeus is no longer maintained so the version there is old and not tested now but it should still build.

(2)   Of so, what would be the proper way to pull this into my yocto
build ?
Including meta-intel and meta-clang in bblayers should be enough.

Thanks,

Anuj


Re: #zeus meta-intel #zeus

Anuj Mittal
 

On Thu, 2021-10-07 at 16:20 +0000, Monsees, Steven C (US) via
lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
 
 
I am looking at “meta-intel/dynamic-layers/clang-layer/recipes-
opencl/compute-runtime”
I have been “told” that this compute-runtime recipe should basically
build opencl (Neo) with all the required dependencies…
I did not think Yocto had support for OpenCL, and was looking to
build Neo under the SDK.
 
(1)   Is this true, does meta-intell under zeus now support building
OpenCL and the OpenCL Graphics compiler under Yocto ?
compute-runtime recipe would allow you to build NEO driver. zeus is no
longer maintained so the version there is old and not tested now but it
should still build.

(2)   Of so, what would be the proper way to pull this into my yocto
build ?
Including meta-intel and meta-clang in bblayers should be enough.

Thanks,

Anuj


Re: How to submit/create a new repository in http://git.yoctoproject.org/

Armin Kuster
 

Hello Tien,



On 10/7/21 9:02 PM, thloh85@... wrote:
Hi all,

I'm from StarFive and am working on distro for our risc-v based processor.
We currently have a repository
(https://github.com/starfive-tech/meta-starfive) and wish to get the
repository to be part of git.yoctoproject.org.
Since you already have a layer, have you thought about registering it
with the layer-index ? http://layers.openembedded.org

- Armin
I couldn't find any information on the process to get the repository
into git.yoctoproject.org. Can someone help show me the process?


Thanks
Tien Hock



[meta-selinux][dunfell][PATCH] libselinux: Backport NULL pointer fix from 3.1

Jonas Brich
 

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Re: How to submit/create a new repository in http://git.yoctoproject.org/

Alexander Kanavin
 

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 14:05, Nicolas Dechesne <nicolas.dechesne@...> wrote:
hey,

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 1:53 PM Alexander Kanavin <alex.kanavin@...> wrote:
There's also a more specific thing you'd need to resolve: I believe you'd need to pass all of the requirements listed here:

Not really. We definitely believe that the Yocto Project Compatible program is a valuable tool for our ecosystem. However, layers on git.yp.org are not required to be compatible. But that's a good suggestion for the future, perhaps ;) 

Still, that list has items that should be fulfilled even without seeking YP compatibility, for instance:

9. All layers contain a README file which details the origin of the layer, its maintainer, where to submit changes, and any dependencies or version requirements.

The layer linked above does not have that in its README. Passing the YP compatibility script is also a useful badge of quality.

Alex


Re: How to submit/create a new repository in http://git.yoctoproject.org/

Nicolas Dechesne
 

hey,

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 1:53 PM Alexander Kanavin <alex.kanavin@...> wrote:
There's also a more specific thing you'd need to resolve: I believe you'd need to pass all of the requirements listed here:

Not really. We definitely believe that the Yocto Project Compatible program is a valuable tool for our ecosystem. However, layers on git.yp.org are not required to be compatible. But that's a good suggestion for the future, perhaps ;) 


Alex

On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 11:58, <tienhock.loh@...> wrote:
Hi Alex,

Actually we'd like to have it up and get everything (including meta-riscv by Khem) into git.yoctoproject.org so that everything in consolidated into a central location.
Does that make sense? Or it is expected that vendors do host their own repository? I see meta-intel, meta-xillinx, so I suspect platform vendor should also get the layers into git.yoctoproject.org

I just read that we'll need to join membership to get repos into the git. I will discuss this with the management.

Thanks for the quick response Alex. 






Re: How to submit/create a new repository in http://git.yoctoproject.org/

Alexander Kanavin
 

There's also a more specific thing you'd need to resolve: I believe you'd need to pass all of the requirements listed here:

Alex


On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 11:58, <tienhock.loh@...> wrote:
Hi Alex,

Actually we'd like to have it up and get everything (including meta-riscv by Khem) into git.yoctoproject.org so that everything in consolidated into a central location.
Does that make sense? Or it is expected that vendors do host their own repository? I see meta-intel, meta-xillinx, so I suspect platform vendor should also get the layers into git.yoctoproject.org

I just read that we'll need to join membership to get repos into the git. I will discuss this with the management.

Thanks for the quick response Alex. 



Re: How to submit/create a new repository in http://git.yoctoproject.org/

tienhock.loh@...
 

Hi Alex,

Actually we'd like to have it up and get everything (including meta-riscv by Khem) into git.yoctoproject.org so that everything in consolidated into a central location.
Does that make sense? Or it is expected that vendors do host their own repository? I see meta-intel, meta-xillinx, so I suspect platform vendor should also get the layers into git.yoctoproject.org

I just read that we'll need to join membership to get repos into the git. I will discuss this with the management.

Thanks for the quick response Alex. 

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